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lance1 said... It was suggested Pope Benedict i...

2008-07-22T11:52:00.000-04:00

lance1 said...

It was suggested Pope Benedict is working to restore tradition and reject the post-Vatican II " religion"...Well Pope Benedict does not want "conservative" Anglican Bishops to the join the Catholic Church. Hr wants Anglican unity.... since he hold Anglicans to already be " within" the Catholic Church anyway.

Vatican shuns defectors and backs calls for Anglican unity

Original Here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/exclusive-pope-rides-to-rowans-rescue-868695.html

By James Macintyre, Religious Affairs Correspondent
Wednesday, 16 July 2008

Typical. The schismatic-minded love to use the lies of the liberal/progressivist MSM to "prove" their points against Pope Benedict XVI.

Damian Thompson already demolished this absurd claim by independent.co.uk, but the Pope-bashers will dutifully keep posting it ad nauseum to undermine our present Holy Father.

It was suggested Pope Benedict is working to resto...

2008-07-16T20:42:00.000-04:00

It was suggested Pope Benedict is working to restore tradition and reject the post-Vatican II " religion"

Pascendi even liked the comment that the Church will go on converting souls, with or without the SSPX......Pope Benedict is pure Post-Vatican II, but a prelate that perfers Mozart at " Liturgy" instead of the Beatles

Well Pope Benedict does not want "conservative" Anglican Bishops to the join the Catholic Church. Hr wants Anglican unity.... since he hold Anglicans to already be " within" the Catholic Church anyway.

Vatican shuns defectors and backs calls for Anglican unity

Original Here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/exclusive-pope-rides-to-rowans-rescue-868695.html

By James Macintyre, Religious Affairs Correspondent
Wednesday, 16 July 2008

The Pope is leading an unprecedented drive by the Roman Catholic Church to prevent the fragmentation of the worldwide Anglican Communion ahead of the once-a-decade gathering of its 800 bishops, which begins today, The Independent has learnt.

In his first public comments on the Lambeth Conference, Pope Benedict XVI has warned Anglican leaders that they must find a "mature" and faithful way of avoiding "schism". On top of this the Pope has:

* Sent three cardinals to the conference in Canterbury, including one of his top aides from the Vatican, to act as personal intermediaries between the two churches;

* Let it be known that he does not support the defection of conservative Anglicans to the Roman Catholic Church;

* Given behind-the-scenes support to the Archbishop of Canterbury's attempts to hold together the conservative and liberal wings of the Anglican Church, including at face-to-face meetings in Rome.

No pope approved SSPX sect. Nor did any pope appro...

2008-07-09T04:12:00.000-04:00

No pope approved SSPX sect. Nor did any pope approve Opus Dei, Novus Ordo Missae (New Order Mass), SSPV, FSSP, CMRI, and any other sect. The only society approved by popes was the Society of Jesus - Jesuits (but, not the modern theology mew "Jesuits").

Dr. Kopp,Many thanks for your reply. The quote fro...

2008-07-03T20:09:00.000-04:00

Dr. Kopp,

Many thanks for your reply.

The quote from 1966 still stands today. Please notice the ecumenical activities and statements of Pope Benedict.

Example;

Benedict XVI, Address to 250 Representatives of about 10 different “Christian” denominations at Ecumenical Meeting, April 18, 2008: “Through you, I express my sincere appreciation for the invaluable work of all those engaged in ecumenism: the National Council of Churches, Christian Churches Together, the Catholic Bishops’ Secretariat for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs and many others… I thank you all.”[

And why would Pope Benedict receive a blessing from a Rabbi?
Or for that matter, bless a Rabbi?

"With deep humility, I asked for a blessing and was blessed. I also asked for the pope's permission to bless him and was authorized to do so," Rabbi Sobel said.

Also, The Balamand Agreement agreement, which agrees not to " convert" the orthodox ? This 1966 quote as to the meaning of that Vatican II decree is very much a part of Benedict XVI's theology.

What work of ' salvation' for souls to enter the One True Church is being done here?

The Pope in fact does need the SSPX, and since Pope Benedict recognizes as ' within" the Catholic Church those churches not in Union with the Rome i.e. the Roman Pontiff, the SSPX to retain the Catholic Faith of our Fathers, does not need Benedict XVI.

Lance, you quoted Joseph Ratzinger from 1966.Can w...

2008-07-03T14:42:00.000-04:00

Lance, you quoted Joseph Ratzinger from 1966.

Can we also judge you on your religious and political convictions of 42 years ago? I didn't think so.

Besides, Dominus Iesus supersedes his reflections from 1966.

Dr. Kopp,Welcome to the Post-Summorum Pontificum a...

2008-07-01T19:51:00.000-04:00

Dr. Kopp,

Welcome to the Post-Summorum Pontificum age.

"This brings me to my third point. You are rightly convinced that the usus antiquior is not a museum piece, but a living expression of Catholic worship. If it is living, we must also expect it to develop. Our Holy Father is also of this conviction. As you know, he chose motu proprio – that is on his own initiative – to alter the text of the prayer pro Iudæis in the Good Friday liturgy. The intention of the prayer was in no way weakened, but a formulation was provided which respected sensitivities." Cardinal Castrillon when he was in London.

And- “The Catholic Church has no right to absorb the other Churches... [A] basic unity — of Churches that remain Churches, yet become one Church — must replace the idea of conversion, even though conversion retains its meaningfulness for those in conscience motivated to seek it.”[10]
Theological Highlights of Vatican II, Joseph Ratzinger, (New York: Paulist Press, 1966), p. 73.

For those of you who can read Italian, see here (w...

2008-07-01T12:11:00.000-04:00

For those of you who can read Italian, see here (www.rinascimentosacro.com) the very good point by Fr. Cantoni.
For those who cannot, please emancipate yourselves and study Italian. m(_ _)m

You commentary about the wreckage left behind by t...

2008-07-01T09:01:00.000-04:00

You commentary about the wreckage left behind by the malfeasance of the American clergy is stunningly close to what I think. The bitterness felt by this same clergy towards the Pope and his Summorum Pontificum, and I can only guess on the post-SP comments of Cdl Hoyos indicates that there is a fight occuring in the Church for its very soul.

Pope BXVI does indeed understand the wreckage, I might add. He's written about it. I don't know the spiritual journey he took from his VII days to now, but since he's been in the CDF, he has empathized with our pain as if he knows it personally.

Mr. Downey,Remarks such as your will not be allowe...

2008-07-01T00:05:00.000-04:00

Mr. Downey,
Remarks such as your will not be allowed here. Go elsewhere.

Of all the things written, excluding Scripture of ...

2008-06-30T22:35:00.000-04:00

Of all the things written, excluding Scripture of course (ha ha, etc.), I believe this is the statement which made me physically nod my head vigorously up and down:

"The Pope does need the SSPX, and the SSPX must realize now that they are nothing without the universal Church. The Church will move forward in its role of saving souls with or without the SSPX."

I particularly agree with your point that we are n...

2008-06-30T21:45:00.000-04:00

I particularly agree with your point that we are now in the "Post Summorum" era... there are many (including many Bishops and clergy) who do not yet realize this. Everything that happens within the Church from now on will be touched by this, and the major effects are still to be seen. But they will happen, and we will see them.

Dr. KoppNicely argued.Zarquon

2008-06-30T21:43:00.000-04:00

Dr. Kopp

Nicely argued.

Zarquon

Dear Patrick:I love your forum, but no, now is not...

2008-06-30T21:26:00.000-04:00

Dear Patrick:

I love your forum, but no, now is not the time. Leading by example is especially important now, while events are still fluid.

God Bless

Brian,Point of order!You wrote "In all the recent ...

2008-06-30T21:11:00.000-04:00

Brian,
Point of order!

You wrote "In all the recent discussions about the SSPX and negotiations with Rome, there has been a truly frightening level of vitriol from both SSPX critics and SSPX supporters."

I hope this doesn't mean that I can't have a little fun at Bishop Williamson's expense does it? I too have great respect for much of what the SSPX has tried to do. But Williamson is just asking for it. Can I still have a little fun?

Brian,Absolutely brilliant post. You have summed ...

2008-06-30T21:04:00.000-04:00

Brian,
Absolutely brilliant post. You have summed up my own thoughts much better than I could ever have done. Well done.

I also posted on AngelQueen for over two years and...

2008-06-30T20:59:00.000-04:00

I also posted on AngelQueen for over two years and the main reason was to defend the Pope every chance I got.

But now if a word criticizing the SSPX is written, off you go. And folks certainly have the attitude that it is a separate and superior church to Rome. The Pope bashing I cannot stand. Calling the Pope insane and other things. Our Holy Father is an incredible gift to the world and is Christ's Vicar.

So I also left that forum where some true hate lives.

yes, the abuse is simply mind-blowing and it continues in many ways for the agendas that fostered it are still there. I do not trust the bishops as a whole but only some individually. I do not even trust most of them to tell the truth!

The SSPX could now be an instrument of good within the Church but it may be that they will stay out and throw stones and claim to the the 'real church' as many others do. And they will be truly schismatics.

Very well put. The die-hard SSPX'ers seem to forg...

2008-06-30T20:37:00.000-04:00

Very well put. The die-hard SSPX'ers seem to forget that they are Roman Catholics, not Traditionalists....
I hope you are not banned againg from AQ for this posting- they need a healthy dose of reality checking now more than ever.

Thanks Pasc. Good to "see" you.

2008-06-30T19:40:00.000-04:00

Thanks Pasc. Good to "see" you.

Very good, Brian.

2008-06-30T19:39:00.000-04:00

Very good, Brian.

"Thats funny."Bishop Fellay seems to be taking thi...

2008-06-30T19:37:00.000-04:00

"Thats funny."

Bishop Fellay seems to be taking this all more seriously than the press, SSPX critics or SSPX supporters:

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/06/behind-the-scenes-sspx-things-are-brighter-than-they-may-seem/

Thats funny.

2008-06-30T19:25:00.000-04:00

Thats funny.